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« on: February 14, 2010, 10:06:02 PM »
As pointed out by one of our members, there appears to be an issue with the photograph upload process and Internet Explorer 7.

I will do my best to track down what's causing it, and hope for normal service to be resumed for all you IE7 guys and gals within the next day or two.

I will post any updates as they happen in this thread.

//Ed

Edit:  It seems the problem is wider than just IE7, it also appears to affect IE8...
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 09:10:24 AM »
thats one reason I always use firefox. I dont particularly like IE7 (or 6, 5 etc for that matter)
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 12:03:35 PM »
As much as I agree with you, at the same time obviously I can't have it broken on a browser with such a massive market share!

Most (read: ALL) problems with IE come from its fascinating standards compliance.  Before IE7, IE's code base was highly based around Mosaic, a relic of the "good old days" of the interwebs, bought by MS before most people had ever used this magical technology.  As such, its technical model under the bonnet was... Shaky, at best.  It had some very interesting ways of implementing standards - due mostly to the fact that they were being implemented on an archaic browser.

With IE7 came an interesting twist - it worked off a brand new code base, and as such was highly standards compliant.  The problem with that is that guys like myself who are used to coaxing IE5/5.5/6 into behaving as intended are having problems... Mostly self-inflicted, of course.  Certainly every web dev I've worked with has also used FF.  "Great", you would think?  "Ed's just said IE7/8 is highly standards compliant, and I know FF is...".

The problem arises from the fact that IE is now a lot stricter than FF in how it implements them... For instance, FF is relatively forgiving of simple/minor JavaScript syntax slip-ups (commonplace when your JS is generated on the server dynamically) however... IE isn't.

In this code monkey's view, as strange as this sounds, IE is correct in its lack of tolerance and FF is actually at fault for helping to breed bad practice.

Just a lowly code monkey's two-penneth Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 01:22:47 PM »
Keep up the good work, the best I ever got to was html programming in a text file, Java always has been a mystery to me.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 03:32:49 PM »
JavaScript and Java, though having a common name, are two completely separate languages (though commonly lumped together) Smiley

But thanks for your encouragement!
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 05:20:43 AM »
Ed, tonight it worked.   wave   I found that if you hold your mouth just right, click your heels 3 times and repeat "There's no place like home" the google map will instantly open.  confused  But now, the dog thinks I have lost my mind and will not come near me.  And my cat appears to be egging him on. Oh well, at least I got a photo loaded.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 02:19:16 PM »
Well...  I'll be damned if I can find what's causing this error!

I really can't figure it out - and obviously IE's total lack of debugging tools is helping me immensely in this task... I take that back, IE8 does have debugging tools... they're just rubbish.

I'll keep on looking through the code but I really can't figure it out - it seems to be IE's lack of wanting to contact google to load the map, every thing else works fine and I can't reproduce it on any other browser.  Must be something I can do my side to coax IE into playing nicely...
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 02:31:53 PM »
Curiouser and curiouser...

Dent, if you refresh the page when it just sits with the little logo spinning, does the map appear?
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 03:03:14 PM »
Well there we go, it was the fact that the map loaded fine on a refresh, added to being unable to reproduce on my local dev server which tipped me off to the solution;  IE gets its knickers in a twist if you try and load a Google map before the entire page has finished rendering and then promptly refuses to do it at all.

All you have to do is pander to IE's little quirks and make sure that it does everything *IT* wants to do before you even dare to ask it to, y'know, be a web browser...  But hey, ho.

Thanks for reporting that annoying bug, Dent - hopefully it is fixed now.  Happy uploading! Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 06:08:16 PM »
Thanks for all your hard work Ed Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2010, 04:25:35 PM »
Hmmm.Not sure if this is related or I've read this as I should.

Now whats happening for me is that when I display a photo thats already uploaded I don't get the map just a blank grey space.I've not uploaded for a few weeks and in between have upgraded(downgraded) to IE8.Might be related.

Another thing for you to fiddle with.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2010, 05:34:06 PM »
Quote from: andym on February 22, 2010, 04:25:35 PM
Hmmm.Not sure if this is related or I've read this as I should.

Now whats happening for me is that when I display a photo thats already uploaded I don't get the map just a blank grey space.I've not uploaded for a few weeks and in between have upgraded(downgraded) to IE8.Might be related.

Another thing for you to fiddle with.

Thanks in advance.
No, not related, but certainly something for me to look at.

//Ed
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 06:31:45 PM »
Just wondered if anyone had had a chance to look at this.Is it just me that can't see the map or are other affected?
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 08:50:15 PM »
Hi Andy
I saw the same problem a couple of days ago, so no, its not just you having this issue. I have raised a query with Ed, and hopefully he'll be able to figure it out quickly. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 10:53:58 PM »
First chance I've had to get back here in awhile and lo and behold the photo upload does indeed work!! Way to go Ed.  thumbup
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